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Christianity is the most discriminated religion and has constantly been attacked over ages. People all over the world has tried to prove Christianity wrong but has not been able to do so,. They wrote stories and perform various speeches to persuade people to switch from christinity, they say its wrong because they can explain the theory of the bible. One example is the Da vinci Code which stated that Jesus had a wife and a child can you believe. But God has never failed to prove all of these theories wrong here we will reverse every thing that sadi wrong about christianity:afro:
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Lets first prove the Da vinci Code wrong by visiting this site afro

http://www.y-zine.com/mona_lisa.htm?gclid=CPywv4LKvIsCFQtpUAodEhKvxQ


People need to know the truth lets start here:afro:
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well i dont really agree wit u there.. over the years ppl found alot of mistakes in the bible dats why they question it so much!
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Ok Alladin if you found a fault be sure to present and i would make no mistake to prove you wrong afro
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lolz iight i will!
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THE JESUS CONSPIRACY

The Da Vinci Code begins with the murder of a French museum curator named Jacques Sauniere. A scholarly Harvard professor and a beautiful French cryptologist are commissioned to decipher a message left by the curator before his death. The message turns out to reveal the most profound conspiracy in the history of humankind: a cover-up of the true message of Jesus Christ by a secret arm of the Roman Catholic Church called Opus Dei.

Before his death, the curator had evidence that could disprove the deity of Christ. Although (according to the plot) the church tried for centuries to suppress the evidence, great thinkers and artists have planted clues everywhere: in paintings such as the Mona Lisa and Last Supper by da Vinci, in the architecture of cathedrals, even in Disney cartoons. The book’s main claims are these:

The Roman emperor Constantine conspired to deify Jesus Christ.
Constantine personally selected the books of the New Testament.
The Gnostic gospels were banned by men to suppress women.
Jesus and Mary Magdalene were secretly married and had a child.
Thousands of secret documents disprove key points of Christianity. afro
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1.The Roman emperor Constantine conspired to deify Jesus Christ.

2.Constantine personally selected the books of the New Testament.

3.The Gnostic gospels were banned by men to suppress women.

4.Jesus and Mary Magdalene were secretly married and had a child.

5.Thousands of secret documents disprove key points of Christianity.

Now these are the main points, so lets break them up one at a time . Now the book is said to be fictional, however it very convincing to readers causing people to have second thoughts about the christian faith.

CONSTANTINE AND CHRISTIANITY

In the centuries prior to Constantine’s reign over the Roman Empire, Christians had been severely persecuted. But then, while entrenched in warfare, Constantine reported to have seen a bright image of a cross in the sky inscribed with the words “Conquer by this.” He marched into battle under the sign of the cross and took control of the empire.

Constantine’s apparent conversion to Christianity was a watershed in church history. Rome became a Christian empire. For the first time in nearly 300 years it was relatively safe, and even cool, to be a Christian.

No longer were Christians persecuted for their faith. Constantine then sought to unify his Eastern and Western Empires, which had been badly divided by schisms, sects, and cults, centering mostly around the issue of Jesus Christ’s identity.

These are some of the kernels of truth in The Da Vinci Code, and kernels of truth are a prerequisite for any successful conspiracy theory. But the book’s plot turns Constantine into a conspirator. So let’s address a key question raised by Brown’s theory: did Constantine invent the Christian doctrine of Jesus’ divinity?
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DEIFYING JESUS

To answer Brown’s accusation, we must first determine what Christians in general believed before Constantine ever convened the council at Nicaea.

Christians had been worshiping Jesus as God since the first century. But in the fourth century, a church leader from the east, Arius, launched a campaign to defend God’s oneness. He taught that Jesus was a specially created being, higher than the angels, but not God. Athanasius and most church leaders, on the other hand, were convinced that Jesus was God in the flesh.
Constantine wanted to settle the dispute, hoping to bring peace to his empire, uniting the east and west divisions. Thus, in 325 A.D., he convened more than 300 bishops at Nicaea (now part of Turkey) from throughout the Christian world. The crucial question is, did the early church think Jesus was the Creator or merely a creation—Son of God or son of a carpenter? So, what did the apostles teach about Jesus? From their very first recorded statements, they regarded him as God. About 30 years after Jesus’ death and resurrection, Paul wrote the Philippians that Jesus was God in human form (Philippians 2:6-7, NLT). And John, a close eye-witness, confirms Jesus’ divinity in the following passage:
In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God. He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make. Life itself was in him..So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us (John 1: 1-4, 14, NLT).
This passage from John 1, has been discovered in an ancient manuscript, and it is carbon-dated at 175-225 A.D. Thus Jesus was clearly spoken of as God over a hundred years before Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea. We now see that forensic manuscript evidence contradicts The Da Vinci Code's claim that Jesus' divinity was a fourth century invention. But what does history tell us about the Council of Nicaea? Brown asserts in his book, through Teabing, that the majority of bishops at Nicaea overruled Arius's belief that Jesus was a "mortal prophet" and adopted the doctrine of Jesus' divinity by a "relatively close vote." True or false?

In reality, the vote was a landslide: only two of the 318 bishops dissented. Whereas Arius believed that the Father alone was God, and that Jesus was His supreme creation, the council concluded that Jesus and the Father were of the same divine essence.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were deemed to be distinct, coexistent, coeternal Persons, but one God. This doctrine of one God in three Persons became known as the Nicene Creed, and is the central core of the Christian Faith. Now, it is true that Arius was persuasive and had considerable influence. The landslide vote came after considerable debate. But in the end the council overwhelmingly declared Arius to be a heretic, since his teaching contradicted what the apostles had taught about Jesus' divinity.

History also confirms that Jesus had publicly condoned the worship he received from his disciples. And, as we have seen, Paul and other apostles clearly taught that Jesus is God and is worthy of worship.

From the first days of the Christian church, Jesus was regarded as far more than a mere man, and most of his followers worshiped him as Lord-the Creator of the universe. So, how could Constantine have invented the doctrine of Jesus' divinity if the church had regarded Jesus as God for more than 200 years? The Da Vinci Code doesn't address this question.
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Now that we have prove one aspect wrong 1.The Roman emperor Constantine conspired to deify Jesus Christ.
We will move to number two
But first any question or comments you have a couple of days afro
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So true Rovin. I can't believe ppl taking christianity into a joke.
I don't believe in Da Vinci Code. Its not right.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity (Defeated no way!!!!)   Christianity (Defeated no way!!!!) EmptySat Apr 14, 2007 2:22 am

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So true Rovin. I can't believe ppl taking christianity into a joke.
I don't believe in Da Vinci Code. Its not right.

to tell you the truth it is really sad that people deny the truth and try to find all manner of things to turn away from it. What can we do to save them Question It get harder everyday but we must never stop figthing afro
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All we have to do is keep on believing. Tell ppl about Christ everyday. Never stop. Judgement day is close.
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yes u ppl are rite but she shouldnt be talkign about religion becose alot of ppl like to discriminate
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity (Defeated no way!!!!)   Christianity (Defeated no way!!!!) EmptyTue Apr 17, 2007 1:44 am

christan, hindu, muslims... etc. all religion think they are right... dats why they come up wit stuff to question the other 1.. like for example.. the qur'an... it stated dat the univ. was created wit a big bang.. n scientist figured dis out not 2 long ago.. n it was in the qur'an had it all dis time...
intersting aint it
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Interesting Alladin.

I think this world should have been better without religion!
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well im not sure if it wud be great witout religion... witout religion.. most ppl wud be already dead.... when everything goes bad.. n no1 can help.. they usally turn to god.. n if take away religion.. well those ppl will think "wuts the point of they keep on livin"....
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I got your point, same here.
But I don't like the discrimination.
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neither do i... no1 really likes discrimination.. but ppl still do it.. i remember once.. i was datin dis hindu gurl.. n her mom found out abt me.. n she asked her for my name.. n gurl told her mom.. n her mom said to her "he's muslim.. leave him where he is" n she had to break up wit me.. intersting eh
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all i have to say on this topic is.......................u touched my ta la la.....

im not abt to enter a discussion on religion :-)
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LMFAO




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all i have to say on this topic is.......................u touched my ta la la.....

im not abt to enter a discussion on religion :-)
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neither do i... no1 really likes discrimination.. but ppl still do it.. i remember once.. i was datin dis hindu gurl.. n her mom found out abt me.. n she asked her for my name.. n gurl told her mom.. n her mom said to her "he's muslim.. leave him where he is" n she had to break up wit me.. intersting eh

Hun, I know people like that and I just can't take them.
I'm christian well an Indian Christian girl and I was so inlove with a dougla guy, he's so hot, damn. Fair skinned dougla guy, damn. And mother totally disagreed with the relationship but I sat down with my mother and point out a few things. So my mother didn't mind after all. Its my life and I have the make the best choices out of it. Now I could date anyone I want to but my father can't find out 'cause he don't want me to have a boyfriend.
Unfortunately, this was this girl that wanted him and I don't like fighting for guys so I broke up with him. And I don't like enemies.
My point, you choose whoever you want and its up to you if you want to change your religion or keep it.

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Soon to be proven wrong 2.Constantine personally selected the books of the New Testament.
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i wasnt the 1 dat ended it.. she did =/



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neither do i... no1 really likes discrimination.. but ppl still do it.. i remember once.. i was datin dis hindu gurl.. n her mom found out abt me.. n she asked her for my name.. n gurl told her mom.. n her mom said to her "he's muslim.. leave him where he is" n she had to break up wit me.. intersting eh

Hun, I know people like that and I just can't take them.
I'm christian well an Indian Christian girl and I was so inlove with a dougla guy, he's so hot, damn. Fair skinned dougla guy, damn. And mother totally disagreed with the relationship but I sat down with my mother and point out a few things. So my mother didn't mind after all. Its my life and I have the make the best choices out of it. Now I could date anyone I want to but my father can't find out 'cause he don't want me to have a boyfriend.
Unfortunately, this was this girl that wanted him and I don't like fighting for guys so I broke up with him. And I don't like enemies.
My point, you choose whoever you want and its up to you if you want to change your religion or keep it.

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Oh okay, I'm sorry!
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Christianity is the most discriminated religion and has constantly been attacked over ages. People all over the world has tried to prove Christianity wrong but has not been able to do so,. They wrote stories and perform various speeches to persuade people to switch from christinity, they say its wrong because they can explain the theory of the bible. One example is the Da vinci Code which stated that Jesus had a wife and a child can you believe. But God has never failed to prove all of these theories wrong here we will reverse every thing that sadi wrong about christianity:afro:

Well I definately don't agree with your statement that Christianity is the most discriminated religion because of the fact that it's one of the most widely practiced religions. I would consider Islam to be more discriminated against, especially because of terrorism around the world today which is considered to be closely linked to muslims.

As for persuading Christians to switch to another religion, Christians have done the same thing to other religions and people. Think back to what was done to the Native Americans. It was either they converted to Christianity or died. They had to give up their culture and way of life... not to forget the fact that their land was taken away from them.

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Interesting Alladin.

I think this world should have been better without religion!

I don't think that the world would be a better place without religion. It's true that most of the wars around the world were started because of religion but when you think about it religion is a way to keep social order. Many people don't do things because they think it's a sin. If they had no fear of being chastised for their actions then people would do whatever they wanted, despite the fact that it could hurt other people. Also, religion gives people hope that there is something better out there.

Don't want to get too much into this discussion. Just wanted to say that much.
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